What does this drivel mean?
"red-eyed, power-to-the-people, it was Fatcha's fault"
Such commentary is further evidence that a person is not prepared to engage in adult debate.
Typing 'was' 'always' and 'some' in capitals without any discussion in between further indicates lack of willingness or ability to debate facts.
It seems that you have decided that all Inquiries and Reports that you disagree with are rubbish, excuses and that evidence was not actually relevant. You now bring up the Chakrabarti Report; you disagree with the findings but offer up nothing by way of counter evidence, just your basic opinion that she was wrong. You probably missed the bits that included her findings that she had seen several instances of antisemitic language or acts by party members, that she had found that some members had been using the abbreviation 'Zio' pointedly as a term of abuse. She also found that following complaints, they were investigated and actioned. She made recommensations for improving the procedure that Mr Corbyn endorsed. The then Party administrators failed ti implement her changes. However for you, as she did not find evidence of widespread antisemitism it was obviously a biased report.
Again, you are unable to come up with anything other than your Daily Mail or Express belief that you are right and she was wrong.
That is the difference between us. I attempt to present independent evidence, legal reports and similar and you present tabloid headlines.
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Corbyn NEVER lets you down
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cbe. This country has the rule of law, not the rule of the fist. It is that simple.
There is or was a vigilante group up here targetting any perpetrators of child sexual abuse, where the victims and perpetrators were mostly white, posing as children in order to arrange meetings. The police always caution against such action given that in some instances it might make a prosecution more difficult.
Your vigilante support has led to innocent people being hounded. A prime example was the case in Wales where at the height of publicity about child abuse, a doctor specialising in child health was targetted and at risk of physical harm from what can only be described as a mob. She had a name plate on her door of 'Pedetrician'. She was one of many at risk by people taking the law they don;t understand into their own hands. Local mobs were marching and chnting around an estate in Plymouth at a similar time causing distress.
Some local fool thought that meant child abuser and the doctor became a victim
You might think that it is ok that the strongest bully should win, sensible people do not. No hand wringing and no tirade (a measured comment is not a tirade) from me, just sense, and prevention of harm to the innocent
There is or was a vigilante group up here targetting any perpetrators of child sexual abuse, where the victims and perpetrators were mostly white, posing as children in order to arrange meetings. The police always caution against such action given that in some instances it might make a prosecution more difficult.
Your vigilante support has led to innocent people being hounded. A prime example was the case in Wales where at the height of publicity about child abuse, a doctor specialising in child health was targetted and at risk of physical harm from what can only be described as a mob. She had a name plate on her door of 'Pedetrician'. She was one of many at risk by people taking the law they don;t understand into their own hands. Local mobs were marching and chnting around an estate in Plymouth at a similar time causing distress.
Some local fool thought that meant child abuser and the doctor became a victim
You might think that it is ok that the strongest bully should win, sensible people do not. No hand wringing and no tirade (a measured comment is not a tirade) from me, just sense, and prevention of harm to the innocent
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cbe has repeatedly asserted that Labour turned 'a blind eye' to the abuse in Rotheram as if it were a simple straight forward matter. He has not been able to come up with an iota of evdence to support the contention. The major report by a well regarded investigator, Alexis Jay did not find a 'blind eye' being turned but in fact found a number of varying factors that all had an effect on council services, police services and the interaction of both.
But hey ho, cbe says they are wrong so he must, it seems, be right.
Propaganda wins again.
But hey ho, cbe says they are wrong so he must, it seems, be right.
Propaganda wins again.
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Just seen this cracker from cbe
"there does not appear to be dozens of case where the authorities have turned a blind eye to a white perpetrator"
Tell that to the choir boys and girls,or the children who were told they were orphans and were sent to Australia into the clutches of the Christian Brothers, or the young unmarried mothers locked away at the mercy of abusive Nuns propagating that the children were being punished because that was what god wanted. Have you seen the docu/drama yet? Perhaps you think it is just 'hard left propaganda'. Or the more recent cases involving the Music School in Manchester and many more
"there does not appear to be dozens of case where the authorities have turned a blind eye to a white perpetrator"
Tell that to the choir boys and girls,or the children who were told they were orphans and were sent to Australia into the clutches of the Christian Brothers, or the young unmarried mothers locked away at the mercy of abusive Nuns propagating that the children were being punished because that was what god wanted. Have you seen the docu/drama yet? Perhaps you think it is just 'hard left propaganda'. Or the more recent cases involving the Music School in Manchester and many more
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Colin - so much to look at with your repeated post after post with your little fingers running away with themselves. if I type drivel it is so that you are better able to follow what I am saying.
The case of the uneducated fools who couldn't tell the difference between job descriptions is yet another red herring. As is the people trapping (white) paedophiles, a necessary act since the authorities seem unable or unwilling to act. Two Jewish Labour MPs left the party blaming anti-semitism, I think they were probably closer to 'the action' than the rest of us. Even you !
Colin - accept the simple fact that Labour have just lost their 4th General Election in a row and the reasons are quite simple. Their policies are anathema to the majority of voters and even regular Labour voters will not vote for the Corbyns of this world. People want someone who looks and sounds as though they could do the job not some swivel-eyed loon . I assume that your vote will go to Bex Wrong-Daily? Let it be so.
The case of the uneducated fools who couldn't tell the difference between job descriptions is yet another red herring. As is the people trapping (white) paedophiles, a necessary act since the authorities seem unable or unwilling to act. Two Jewish Labour MPs left the party blaming anti-semitism, I think they were probably closer to 'the action' than the rest of us. Even you !
Colin - accept the simple fact that Labour have just lost their 4th General Election in a row and the reasons are quite simple. Their policies are anathema to the majority of voters and even regular Labour voters will not vote for the Corbyns of this world. People want someone who looks and sounds as though they could do the job not some swivel-eyed loon . I assume that your vote will go to Bex Wrong-Daily? Let it be so.
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cbe said:
'Had a member of my family suffered abuse of that kind - I personally would have acted and true justice would have been served.(cue Colin to make a hand-wringing, gut-wrenching tirade about vigilantes)'.
Most of the 'children' involved were 'street-kids' from broken homes or on the run from care homes. Even girls from good homes these days dress quite inappropriately, in my opinion, slashed jeans, lots of make-up, pouting and flaunting their well-developed young bodies, knowing full well the effect they have on males. Perhaps naturally some Police thought the 'street' girls brought it on themselves, at least partly, leading men on and with provocative behaviour and attitudes.
Normal adults would naturally see red at the thought of their own kids being molested but street kids often have no parental guidance and are especially vulnerable if short of cash and/or food.
But of course no amount of promiscuous(?) behaviour can be excused for the sexual trafficking of youngsters and plying them with food and drink and making death threats if they ran to the Police.
Some of the councils, in whose care some of the kids rested, also swept the problem under the carpet, possibly because they knew there was inadequate funding to provide care and counseling, both during the immense trials backlogs and the costly aftercare needed.
Many local councils seem to be Labour and government funding was cut to a 'bare bones' minimum by Conservative edicts. That may add another dimension.
Measure to tackle the taxi drivers of whatever racial origins, including British, should all have background checks and not just those who do school runs.
Better funding should be available to local councils from a central agency such as the Home Office, and the Judicial system needs streamlining to avoid the years of delay in bringing prosecutions to fruition.
Many avenues of blame it seems and not all can be tackled overnight.
'Had a member of my family suffered abuse of that kind - I personally would have acted and true justice would have been served.(cue Colin to make a hand-wringing, gut-wrenching tirade about vigilantes)'.
Most of the 'children' involved were 'street-kids' from broken homes or on the run from care homes. Even girls from good homes these days dress quite inappropriately, in my opinion, slashed jeans, lots of make-up, pouting and flaunting their well-developed young bodies, knowing full well the effect they have on males. Perhaps naturally some Police thought the 'street' girls brought it on themselves, at least partly, leading men on and with provocative behaviour and attitudes.
Normal adults would naturally see red at the thought of their own kids being molested but street kids often have no parental guidance and are especially vulnerable if short of cash and/or food.
But of course no amount of promiscuous(?) behaviour can be excused for the sexual trafficking of youngsters and plying them with food and drink and making death threats if they ran to the Police.
Some of the councils, in whose care some of the kids rested, also swept the problem under the carpet, possibly because they knew there was inadequate funding to provide care and counseling, both during the immense trials backlogs and the costly aftercare needed.
Many local councils seem to be Labour and government funding was cut to a 'bare bones' minimum by Conservative edicts. That may add another dimension.
Measure to tackle the taxi drivers of whatever racial origins, including British, should all have background checks and not just those who do school runs.
Better funding should be available to local councils from a central agency such as the Home Office, and the Judicial system needs streamlining to avoid the years of delay in bringing prosecutions to fruition.
Many avenues of blame it seems and not all can be tackled overnight.
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It would be nice if there was ANY action rather than the normal 'lessons will be learnt' .
From your opening remarks I thought you were straying very close to 'they were asking for it' NEVER an excuse - but you modified that later.
Police possibly thinking 'they brought it on themselves' - It was more than that Richard - the Home Office
more or less instructed them to ignore these matters as the girls were making choices in their sexual behaviour. As I pointed out yesterday - under age children CANNOT make those choices and you would expect the Home Office and the Police and any 'lawyers' who might use this site to jump on that point right away.
From your opening remarks I thought you were straying very close to 'they were asking for it' NEVER an excuse - but you modified that later.
Police possibly thinking 'they brought it on themselves' - It was more than that Richard - the Home Office
more or less instructed them to ignore these matters as the girls were making choices in their sexual behaviour. As I pointed out yesterday - under age children CANNOT make those choices and you would expect the Home Office and the Police and any 'lawyers' who might use this site to jump on that point right away.
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On a broader level worldwide, I don't think that we can deny that many girls naturally can't help wanting to draw attention to their sexuality because it is embedded in the female perception of being ‘beautiful' but then they (also quite naturally) run the risk of unwanted sexual attention.
Of course this may continue into adulthood.
In western society many girls feel that a lot of their worth is based on how they look.
They like the attention - but don't want it to go too far.
Among young girls, this self-objectification brings about a number of negative psychological outcomes, including disordered eating, anxiety about their nose being too big, for example, and depression.
Studies have shown that sexualised women are viewed as having lesser minds (less capacity for thoughts and intentions), and are considered less worthy of moral consideration and treatment.
They are seen as objects rather than real people with sensitive feelings.
Objectification contributes to negative and unsympathetic responses towards women. One study, for instance, found that scantily clad female rape victims were seen as less deserving of moral concern relative to conservatively dressed victims, and were held to be more responsible for the rape.
These research findings add considerable weight to public concern over the sexualisation of children.
Of course this may continue into adulthood.
In western society many girls feel that a lot of their worth is based on how they look.
They like the attention - but don't want it to go too far.
Among young girls, this self-objectification brings about a number of negative psychological outcomes, including disordered eating, anxiety about their nose being too big, for example, and depression.
Studies have shown that sexualised women are viewed as having lesser minds (less capacity for thoughts and intentions), and are considered less worthy of moral consideration and treatment.
They are seen as objects rather than real people with sensitive feelings.
Objectification contributes to negative and unsympathetic responses towards women. One study, for instance, found that scantily clad female rape victims were seen as less deserving of moral concern relative to conservatively dressed victims, and were held to be more responsible for the rape.
These research findings add considerable weight to public concern over the sexualisation of children.
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cbe reverting to form. Not one response or rebuttal to any facts or points I have made just making juvenile comments. Not one citation of a credible analysis of causation of the Rotherham issue being down to Labour turning a blind eye. By your own snippet of the local newspaper you could say it is all down to the police that they turned a 'blind eye', but for you it is a simple political cause even if you cannot find the tiniest bit of evidence.
Then you now move on to this "the Home Office more or less instructed them to ignore these matters ". Did they? Have you seen the full circular? Who signed it off ? For you anything will do to fit your agenda. You have ignored my previous information that the Police do not take instructions from councillors, MPs etc. You just ignore whatever does not fit with your prejudice.
I am well aware of the meaning of the age of consent as it applies to males and females and the changing of ages of consent in recent years.
Then you now move on to this "the Home Office more or less instructed them to ignore these matters ". Did they? Have you seen the full circular? Who signed it off ? For you anything will do to fit your agenda. You have ignored my previous information that the Police do not take instructions from councillors, MPs etc. You just ignore whatever does not fit with your prejudice.
I am well aware of the meaning of the age of consent as it applies to males and females and the changing of ages of consent in recent years.
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Richard, your comments on sexualisation of children are very relevant in this issue. In addition the body image of teenage boys is becoming an issue causing psychological problems for them if they don't match up to the images of young guys on love island or on advertisements and in magazines. Society as a whole regardless of politics is doing a serious disservice to our young people.
Luckily some young people reject that type of objectification and follow ideas and objectives other than are presented to them as acceptable, by thinking of the well being of others and the world in general.
Luckily some young people reject that type of objectification and follow ideas and objectives other than are presented to them as acceptable, by thinking of the well being of others and the world in general.
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