Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

[ColinL]

Cerebus, if by alternative you mean Nigel Farage Ltd don't get your hopes too quickly. Seven time loser at parliamentary elections and lastly in Thanet North a heartland of leave he could not win. This year we were told that his lot would take the Welsh and Peterborough seats both leave areas and they still could not win.

[ColinL]

Seahermit you really don't like facts do you, you prefer your own novel opinions

Attlee govt programme
Limited public ownership. Massive house building programme. NHS implemented. Education reforms implemented. (The technical schools proposed in the 3 tier system did not come into being) Large scale borrowing for purposes of investment.

Corbyn govt programme.
Same as above, except less nationalisation than proposed by Attlee so by that score the Corbyn programme is perhaps less revolutionary than Attlee implemented.
New investment in the NHS
So yes those in the 45 govt would warmly recognise Labour in 2019 and probably ask why they are being so cautious. Ernest Bevin was on the right of the party. Bevan on the other hand who steered the NHS was of course a radical like Corbyn.

You have given a very odd impression of someone who wants socialist policies as you seem to spend your time denigrating such things

[seahermit]

ColinL, there is no such thing as the "Corbyn government programme". Thankfully. The proposals you refer to are part of the Labour party manifesto and are only theoretical at this stage.

It is of no value to compare the current manifesto promises with the reforms which took place in the 1940's. The world is a very different place with completely different issues in the UK. In any case, to use the word "cautious" about Corbyn's promises is ludicrous - from all sides have come criticism and incredulity about his spending plans which are probably unaffordable and impossible to fulfil.

The main factor limiting Labour's current nationalisation proposals is the fact that they can only get away with so much - any degree of re-nationalisation is deeply unpopular with many in the country and, although I think that some government "control" should be re-introduced e.g. into the transport and energy industries, anything more than that would simply not be accepted.

cbe: sorry I didn't laugh at the idea of Abbott as PM. I was having a nightmare!

[cerberus]

Do you know something guys 'n gals? I think Corbyn has accidentally stumbled upon the election Holy Grail (well even the biggest losers get a stroke of luck sometimes? ) with this document about the US interest in the NHS? I mean, once it's out there, whether or not there's any truth in it, suspicions are aroused - especially with something as publicly adored as the NHS; it has many faults, but that's because it has been bureauticised, and nothing to do with the clinicians, but I digress. So all Corbyn needs to do for what remains of the campaign is hold up the document at every opportunity, and because Johnson's such a fucking liar he can rubbish it until the cows come home but Joe Public won't believe a word he says. I honestly can't believe that anyone will actually vote for these 'posh boys who don't know the price of a pint of milk', and who have nothing but contempt for us: do we really want Grayling and the Maybot, and the likes of arch-traitors Hammond and Grieve back on the front bench ffs? Well the only way to prevent it is to realise that Farage is the answer to our prayers. Those who doubt his integrity should watch the Youtube vid of him in Doncaster a couple of days ago to see how dedicated to the cause he is, especially in reviving our fishing industries?

Farage doesn't have to do any of this - he's already wealthy, and could so easily retire to spend more time with his money. Nor should we forget . . . had it not been for him - and him alone?? - we wouldn't have had a Brexit referendum?

[cerberus]

ColinL, there is no such thing as the "Corbyn government programme". Thankfully. The proposals you refer to are part of the Labour party manifesto and are only theoretical at this stage.

It is of no value to compare the current manifesto promises with the reforms which took place in the 1940's. The world is a very different place with completely different issues in the UK. In any case, to use the word "cautious" about Corbyn's promises is ludicrous - from all sides have come criticism and incredulity about his spending plans which are probably unaffordable and impossible to fulfil.

The main factor limiting Labour's current nationalisation proposals is the fact that they can only get away with so much - any degree of re-nationalisation is deeply unpopular with many in the country and, although I think that some government "control" should be re-introduced e.g. into the transport and energy industries, anything more than that would simply not be accepted.

cbe: sorry I didn't laugh at the idea of Abbott as PM . I was having a nightmare!

Cut her some slack (as the yanks say?) - I think she'd make an exemplary PM. Heard the latest? Labour are going to plant a zillion trees by 2050.

'Lammy could be in with a shout' - I laugh every time I recall that.

[cerberus]

Cerebus, if by alternative you mean Nigel Farage Ltd don't get your hopes too quickly. Seven time loser at parliamentary elections and lastly in Thanet North a heartland of leave he could not win. This year we were told that his lot would take the Welsh and Peterborough seats both leave areas and they still could not win.

That was then - this is now? Who would you like our next PM to be, Corbyn or Johnson? Another question - what is your agenda for not wanting Farage to get anywhere? You must have one??

[ColinL]

I don't have an 'agenda', for 'not wanting Farage to get anywhere'.

My comment was simply one of a factual analysis of his history, and the previous claims he has made for a break through, e.g. Wales & Peterborough, as simple as that.

[ColinL]

If Farage was 'dedicated.....to reviving our fishing industries', it would have been expected that having been appointed to a place as an MEP to the Fisheries Committee that he would have actually attended meetings to put forward thoughts and ideas - or indeed anything constructive in that respect. He did not. He prefers to spend his time and your money of his salary on travelling around the US speaking at right wing gatherings and getting even more money from fees. Fishing families are taken for a ride.

Remember when he stepped down from UKIP he stated that he would no longer have to associate with 'low grade people'. He probably meant fishing communities

[ColinL]

Little seahermit
The Labour manifesto is a programme for government. That is what they are supposed to be in the period running up to election day. It was you who raised the issue of the 1945 govt and its leaders theoretical views on the Labour Party today. If you don't want answers then don't raise the subject by way of comparison.

[cerberus]

If Farage was 'dedicated.....to reviving our fishing industries', it would have been expected that having been appointed to a place as an MEP to the Fisheries Committee that he would have actually attended meetings to put forward thoughts and ideas - or indeed anything constructive in that respect. He did not. He prefers to spend his time and your money of his salary on travelling around the US speaking at right wing gatherings and getting even more money from fees. Fishing families are taken for a ride.

Remember when he stepped down from UKIP he stated that he would no longer have to associate with 'low grade people'. He probably meant fishing communities

In the EU parliament not one of the delegates would be the least bit interested in the UK fishing industry, so he'd be ignored. In fact he'd be told to sit down and shut up because there would be zero interest in the subject.

As to UKIP, it was infiltrated by those two Tories Carswell and Reckless, who were tasked by Cameron for the sole purpose of destroying the UKIP party from the inside because the establishment parties were running scared - and a very good job they did of it too, because that's exactly what happened. Do you remember how quickly they were welcomed back to the Tory back benches like conquering heroes, mission accomplished? I'm surprised that has never occurred to you. Anyway you forgot to answer my question - Corbyn, or Johnson?