cbe wrote:cerberus - Yes Reckless and Carswell came into the party from the Conservatives, but at the invitation of Nigel Farage - he had been courting these people to announce their change of party as a major coup. You are right about Carswell, but you will remember that Mark Reckless is a member of the Welsh Assembly for the Brexit Party.
I think that I am right when I say that you enter the Brexit movement from the left, whereas I come from the opposite direction. Our aims will be the same.
Moving on to the 'agreement' Boris has 'achieved' I wonder how many people know that his agreement accepts (as did May's WA) that we will stay with EU rules on VAT until 5 years AFTER the end of the transition period?
I wonder also how many people know that decades ago we 'invested 3.5 billion euros into the EIB (European Investment bank) which gave us a 16.1% share and that that would be the equivalent of 30 billions today. I wonder too whether they know that Boris' deal accepts (as did May's) that we will just get the original 3.5 billions back with no interest at all. Do they also know that we do not get this back in one lump but over 12 years !!! The last thing they might not be aware of is the fact that we are responsible for 16.1% of any liabilities of the EIB for the whole of that 12 years. Then let those people tell me this is Brexit.
Respec' cbe, for your in-depth knowledge. Maybe Nige was a bit naive at the time and didn't believe the Conservatives would stoop so low as to send in the fifth-columnists; or he didn't see it coming? - I wouldn't care to guess which it was - and has been regretting his error ever since?
I wonder if you agree with me on this though: the reason the charlatans are so, shall I say accommodating
with endless extensions for leaving is a) because not only is the Euro in meltdown (I reckon Italy will be the next 'Greece'?), they desperately need our money to set up their very own army, navy, and air force, and without our billions, it will be unaffordable: and b) owing to the continuing mass migrations, they know that when the shit hits the fan, no way could it be contained by their police forces? Additionally, the so-called European Space Agency budget which we want to spend tens of billions of our pounds sterling to join is only a money-laundering scheme to replenish the ECB's shrinking coffers.
As to those military ambitions, I suspect that a concomitant reason is that - as some kind of vanity project, they want to tame the Russian Bear, and that short of the threat of full-on WW3, NATO wouldn't sanction an unprovoked attack on Russia in a million years? We're talking globalisation here, and European self-aggrandisement, and nothing would surprise me because fools will do anything for fame; but the revealing thing is that when Global Jihad eventually does
kick off we'll need Russia on-side or we won't stand a chance against a ruthless militant Islam.
In short. this is all part of the insanity and stupidity which has stricken the western world. In fact, the opening narrative of Bitter Lake is 'The West has become a dangerous and destructive force in the world.', and ain't that
the truth if we let them get away with it!!
PS: Purely out of curiosity, cbe, do you believe the Salisbury/Novichok story? Just a yes or no because I'm off-topic, but just thought I'd tack it on.