Labour - a rethink

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ColinL
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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby ColinL » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:33 pm

If posting propaganda you must try to make it convincing

Two more instances of Corbyn supporting our armed services. I think I posted these recently as well. When Cameron issued our troops returning from Afghanistan with their redundancy notices it was Corbyn in the Commons who spoke up for them after they had put their lives on the line. Cameron wanted to replace them with the TA. He also spoke out before troops were sent to war when families contacted him to say that they were buying essential gear for their sons and daughters

Just who supports our troops certainly not Cameron or Johnson.

Try responding to facts and see if you can debate

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby cbe » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:18 am

Colin - you will never 'understand' things you do not want to understand. You are a Socialist in the Corbyn mould - student politics carried on for decades which is frankly. embarrassing.

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby Richard » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:13 pm

It will be interesting indeed to see who is picked to be the next labour leader.
Keir Starmer has already been given the support from the biggest trade union, Unison.
Top corbynista and boss of Unite trade union Ken McCluskey has refused to give his support to any candidate yet, saying it will be announced next week.
I think Starmer is not ‘far-left-enough’ for the likes of McCluskey or Momentum.
Starmer is seen as a party centrist who could struggle to win over Corbyn’s leftist supporters
Lisa Nandy has been backed by GMB trade union.

Starmer said: “Jeremy Corbyn made our party the party of anti-austerity and he was right to do so. He made us the party that wanted to invest more heavily in our public services and he was right to do so. We must retain that. We build on that and don’t trash it as we move forward.

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby cbe » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:39 pm

I think that very soon after the leadership election there will be
a split in the party - the fight will be over the name

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby seahermit » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:49 pm

Richard's comments encapsulate all the reasons Labour did not win over the electorate. The party's direction is heavily dominated by Corbynistas, leftist trade unions and Momentum. I cannot see any reason why moderate thinking people would want a return to the divisive politics of the past, with its memories of strikes, confrontation of the establishment and of anything at all rightist. That is what scared off a lot of voters, those entrenched attitudes belong to the past.

There SHOULD be a split in the party - whether enough politicians have enough courage to take that bold step is a completely different matter. If a group emerged which was truly "socialist" in its ideals, compromising and pragmatic (instead of adhering to worn-out extremist dogma), I and many others would be interested.

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby Richard » Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:39 pm

seahermit,
I agree, nothing wrong with Labour values in some areas but the pressures from the far left were visibly rising and Corbyn did not seem to be competent at keeping them under control.

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby ColinL » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:50 pm

Cbe -again ignoring evidence of Corbyn's support of armed services and all you can come up with it a juvenile jibe about 'student politics'.

Explain to readers how the facts I have put up about Corbyn's support for redundant troops constitute 'student politics '

Over to you if you are able to take part in mature debate, rather than slinging slogans

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby ColinL » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:58 pm

The little seahermit is back with little insignificant comments

There was a spilt last year. They became the Indy Group, then they became the Tinge Party then they imploded & some joined the LibDems and despite their protestations about being personally popular all lost their seats.

The party is a broad church from the Fabians through to Tribune and the Campaign group

For some unexplained reason the country has decided to go back to the days of the Victorian era of freedom of capital to do what it wants, the government ripping up social advances working people have gained over the years. Govt looking towards charities to meet the needs of those needing help and support. Victorian values

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby cbe » Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:02 pm

((charities))

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Re: Labour - a rethink

Postby seahermit » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:29 am

Yes, I think "student politics" neatly sums up the mentality. Other people's opinions dismissed as "insignificant comments", passionate left-wing rhetoric in defiance of the reality of the current situation, the contemptuous way he still refers to others. Colin doesn't seem to have learnt anything over the years, despite his accumulating grey hairs!

I admire the patience of others and their toleration of it. But poor Colin, he has up to five years ahead of puffing and sweating about the "Victorian era" Tories and other such nonsense - nothing at all he can do about it.


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