Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings beach?

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Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings beach?

Postby roy » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:45 pm

So I do hope its water and nothing else.

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Re: Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings be

Postby Richard » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:30 am

Alexandra Park Stream drains rain water into the sea via an outfall pipe across the beach, which also is exposed at low water_ _ _
This is quite a large catchment area and there was originally an open stream at one time, long ago, flowing through the Priory Meadow area and out to sea
A large operation to overhaul this conduit was carried out quite recently only to see a blockage in 2009 where debris flooded water back up into Alexandra Park

The main sewerage pipe is is built out to sea (perhaps not far enough?) at the end of Rockanore from the pumping and treatment works near the car park.
I think there is storm water overflow capacity which issues at an ugly cavernous hole above beach level where toilet debris can be seen trapped by the iron bars of the outfall pipe ?
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Re: Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings be

Postby roy » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:44 am

Cheers Richard,good to know its only rain water lol



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Postby Chris in 1066 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:25 am

It used to be called the Priory Stream back in the early 1800's - that was until it was covered in a culvert - it runs under the exact position of the memorial.
Notice the Rope walk on the left in the time of the America Ground

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Re: Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings be

Postby Chris in 1066 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:37 am

This is how it looked in 1830. - The road going up the hill was at the time named 'Cuckoo Hill' later to be named Cambridge Road

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Re: Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings be

Postby roy » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:31 pm

Cheers Chris,interesting pics. :)



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Postby Chris in 1066 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:08 pm

Roy

Have quite a few more pictures of the area, especially the "America Ground" as it was my paper for the Local History Certificate at Sussex University and I did a lot of research of that area back in the late 1990's



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Re: Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings be

Postby Geoff » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:16 pm

Hi Chris

I would appreciate some feedback on my page about the America Ground.

http://www.1066online.co.uk/hastings-history/hastings-town/america-ground/

Any pics you have that may illustrate it better would be much appreciated too. The two on the page are very photoshopped photos of the mural in Robertson Street.

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Postby Chris in 1066 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:57 am

Geoff

I don't like to be negative about other peoples work, but this is my version of the origins of the America Ground and the birth of Robertson Street which differs slightly from your page on the America Ground - sorry about that


The America Ground - 1800 - 1849

The growth of Hastings as a Seaside resort (the health-craze for sea bathing and drinking brought the first visitors) from the end of the 18th Century, and particularly between 1815 and the mid 1820`s, (Fig 1.) produced a demand for property and land that forced the town to expand westward out of the Bourne Valley and into the Priory Valley. The development of Pelham Crescent by the architect Joseph Kaye for the Earl of Chichester (started 1820) and James Burton`s new St. Leonards, (started 1828 ) necessitated importing a large workforce for the necessary construction work, who it was reported took possession without leave, licence, or interference, and built houses, shanties, warehouses, and other erections, for which they paid no rent or consideration - a No Mans Land` and independent of any law or order, and, who when challenged hoisted the American Flag, very much a symbol of independence at that time, on an area of the Foreshore.

This 8 acres of foreshore now covered by 195 buildings with well over 1000 inhabitants, was first occupied at the beginning of the 19th Century by an enterprising group of local tradesmen. They developed the area into a sort of colony with its own shops, houses and businesses including a coach factory and two rope walks each of 120-150 fathoms in length, used by Messrs. Thwaites and Co. and Messrs. Breeds and Co. for the making of rope. The earliest recorded inhabitants of the America Ground being Thomas Page and John Prior in 1806. They were listed as resident in an old Hulk, now in two tenements, formerly the Brig named Polymina.

This so called America Ground - an area of land occupying a space of nearly a quarter of a mile in length and 500 yards in width, which from its situation and appearance was without doubt, formerly part of the sea shore, but, by the accumulation of the shingle, the sea has gradually receded, leaving the ground in question waste, and for very many years totally unproductive, was claimed by the Crown following an inquiry at the George Hotel, Battle on 6th Dec. 1827 as to the legal ownership. The Crown then completed a detailed survey of the Ground before offering a 7 year ground lease at relatively small rents to those who claimed to own property there, after which the ground was to be cleared - only four such leases were taken out, 3 by the same family of Breeds.

The 'government ground' was duly cleared of all buildings and inhabitants by Christmas 1835 and then stood empty for the next 15 years apart from the Rock Fair (July 26-27th) and the occasional cricket match, and became known as the `Derelict or `Waste Lands`.
A wealthy London Merchant, Patrick Francis Robertson, leased the ground from the Crown for a period of ninety nine years at an annual rent of GBP500. Mr. Robertson who later twice became a member of Parliament for Hastings had great visions for the development of the town as a seaside resort, as, in addition to the America Ground, he visualized erecting buildings all along the sea-front to the west as far as Warrior Square, and attempted to form a partnership with Charles Eversfield and Decimus Burton - unfortunately to no avail.

Robertson Street - Work Begins

January 1850 saw Patrick Robertson embark alone on the development of the first part of the America Ground, which, as Crown Property, was governed to a large extent by the need for official approval, and being a shrewd business man, he ensured he had official approval by employing the Crown architects - Messrs. Reeks and Humbert of 7 Whitehall Yard, London, to draw up the plans. Reeks and Humbert later opened an office at 15 Pelham Crescent, and their name appears exclusively on all building and planning applications, maps, etc. for Robertson Street up to December 1856
The next few years (1856-1864) saw many applications mostly bearing the name of H.Carpenter, Architect, 36 Robertson Street, after which several local and national Architects became involved with various alterations and addittions to premises in the street.

It was announced in the prospectus for the development that Whilst uniformity of design will ensure the harmony and propriety of the Architectural arrangements, the effectiveness of the Drainage and Water supply, and the completeness of the Shop and Trade accommodation, have been amply provided for. All the houses facing the sea are to be used as private Dwelling houses only, with the exception of Reading-rooms and an Hotel. The main road is available for trade purposes; but no Taverns, Public Houses or Beer shops will be allowed without a special licence from the Crown Lessee; and all trades which may become a nuisance to the surrounding property will be strictly prohibited. This was followed by an advert in the local press on 25th Jan 1850 inviting tenders to be submitted for the construction of the Roads, Vaults and Sewers (Glazed Stone pipes of 18 ins bore)

Work must have progressed at a tremendous rate as only six weeks later the local newspaper carried the following advert from what is believed to be the first trader in the street :

Provision Warehouse
5 Robertson Street, Hastings
R. Funnell begs to inform his friends and the public generally, that he
will open TOMORROW as above, in connection with his other
establishment in George Street, and trusts, by adhering strictly
to the principle on which his Tea and Coffee Trade has been
conducted - viz. first quality, with moderate charges - to receive
as great a share of patronage in his New Establishment as he
has gratefully to acknowledge in the Old.

Stephen Jones, complying with the conditions of the Crown Lessee, is also reported in Aug. 1850 as applying for a Licence for a house now being built on the Priory Ground called The Priory Tavern but this information has not been verified as no mention of an Innkeeper called Stephen Jones or The Priory Tavern have been found todate.











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Re: Anyone know whats coming out of this pipe at hastings be

Postby Chris in 1066 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:24 pm

Geoff

I am going to start a new topic with the pictures/sketches that I have found concerning the "America Ground" and surrounding area.



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