Carlisle Pub (Pelham Arms), Denmark Arms and Public Shelter

[Terry]

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Thanks Terry, however the scan is too small to put on the gallery.

Rest assured I would never claim copyright that isn't mine and all pictures used are credited to whoever supplies them. I agree it would be lovely if all old photos were freely usable but we all have to abide by the laws so I always clear it with the owners before publishing them. Judges have been especially good to me in the past for example.

If you are able to send me a higher res scan of the postcard I would love to get it up on the gallery. I have built an upload function into the gallery that will take larger files rather than uploading to the forum. You might find that easier. Go to the bottom of any gallery page for more info.

Many thanks

Geoff


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I've managed to get a higher res scan, but every time I try to upload it, the uploading gadget seems to grind to a halt after about three minutes and everything freezes up on me. This may be because the site is busy or due to my slow connection speed as I use a dongle to access the internet. I'll try again later. If that doesn't work, I'll try to find another way to send it.
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Tried again to upload picture, but annoyingly it froze on me at 90.2% and this took over an hour and a half. I'll try again when I can get access to a broadband connection as using the dongle seems to make things time out. As you may gather, I'm no computer wizard.

I fully understand your remarks about copywrite. It just seems such a shame that it can apply to these ancient pictures. I don't begrudge people earning money from their work, but the people who actually took these photos are almost certainly dead. Old photos are the nearest thing we have to a time machine and I'm a little baffled as to how one gets to own a view. I do realise that it can take time to track down these pictures and people have to earn a living, but sites like this and flickr make the task a little easier and are very much appreciated. Thank you for your work.



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Thanks Terry, however the scan is too small to put on the gallery.

Rest assured I would never claim copyright that isn't mine and all pictures used are credited to whoever supplies them. I agree it would be lovely if all old photos were freely usable but we all have to abide by the laws so I always clear it with the owners before publishing them. Judges have been especially good to me in the past for example.

If you are able to send me a higher res scan of the postcard I would love to get it up on the gallery. I have built an upload function into the gallery that will take larger files rather than uploading to the forum. You might find that easier. Go to the bottom of any gallery page for more info.

Many thanks

Geoff


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I've managed to get a higher res scan, but every time I try to upload it, the uploading gadget seems to grind to a halt after about three minutes and everything freezes up on me. This may be because the site is busy or due to my slow connection speed as I use a dongle to access the internet. I'll try again later. If that doesn't work, I'll try to find another way to send it.
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Tried again to upload picture, but annoyingly it froze on me at 90.2% and this took over an hour and a half. I'll try again when I can get access to a broadband connection as using the dongle seems to make things time out. As you may gather, I'm no computer wizard.

I fully understand your remarks about copywrite. It just seems such a shame that it can apply to these ancient pictures. I don't begrudge people earning money from their work, but the people who actually took these photos are almost certainly dead. Old photos are the nearest thing we have to a time machine and I'm a little baffled as to how one gets to own a view. I do realise that it can take time to track down these pictures and people have to earn a living, but sites like this and flickr make the task a little easier and are very much appreciated. Thank you for your work.

[david_russell]

Terry,

There is a nice photograph of the 'Carlisle Hotel' in an Ad in the Observer October 1899 and a drawing of the Chase-Carlisle Challenge Cup around the same time.

Dont know what view the photo is but it advertises E.E.Chase, (from Lamb, Holborn) and Chandler's Brewery. There are buildings behind the pub so I guess the view is of the back ??

David

[Terry]

If you look at the map of the area at that time, the pub was almost surrounded by buildings such as Carlisle villas. The only part visible from the sea front was the western end. I've got a rather poor photo of the map which I'll put up. It's much too big to scan. I think it's in the public domain so it should be alright.

By the way. I maintain that as the address is Pelham Street, that is the front of the pub (the Woolworths side), despite it seeming illogical today.

The name Chandler's Brewery is something I haven't encountered before. I'll look that up. Could it be related to Richard Chandler who built the Pelham Arms? I know many pubs used to brew their own beer, but I thought this practice had died out in Hastings by that time.



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[Terry]

As I predicted, I am now kicking myself. In the picture I was refering to the artist or photographer appears to be standing slightly to the west of the pub just above the CE of Denmark Place on the map. It shows the rear (seafront side) of the pub.

[david_russell]

Terry,

You were asking about Gordon House a while ago. 'Gordon House', 3 Carlisle Villas, is listed in the street directories from 1900 to 1905. I havn't checked any other directories. Gordon House was apparently, furnished apartments.

David

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and I should have said that the Carlisle was numbr 1.

David

[david_russell]

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[david_russell]

Terry,

This is the pic I've been looking for. E.E.Chase, landlord of the Carlisle 1899-1901 ?

This is the guy who gambled the pub takings on the horses and became bankrupt. Not a brilliant pic. It's only a photocopy from the microfiche but it was taken 111 years ago !! How old would you say he was at the time ? It must have been difficult pulling pints in that collar !

I've put some info on the Smugglers thread on another favourite landlord: Arthur Barber.

[Terry]

Thank you David.

The info I have is that Ernest Edgar Chase was born in 1871 in Terling, Essex and married 26 year old Esther Rolph (two years his senior) from Lakenheath, Suffolk on 7th November 1895. They had two children: Sidney Cyril Chase, born 1897 and Victor Chase, also born 1897. It doesn't say if the children were twins or not, but it would seem likely, Once again I have no record of where this info comes from, but it might have been from the London Gazette website, which despite its title, does contain a few notes about Mr. Chase's bancruptcy. It also mentions Francis Henry Bishop, the Carlisle's landlord from 1913 till 1938, but not in the same place. The site does, however, have a search/advanced search facility.

For some reason the Hastings Chronicles website calls him Albert Chase.

From the above it would appear that Mr. Chase was about 28 at the time of this photo.

[woo]

With all this talk about old pubs not only has it made me very thirsty,there seems to be no mention of The Halton Tavern.