Carlisle Pub (Pelham Arms), Denmark Arms and Public Shelter

[david_russell]

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[david_russell]

Terry, You might be interested in this picture of the Carlisle about 1900 ?

It's of the rear ie; the beach side and shows the name Chase and Chandlers Brewery.

The toffee apple man was standing southwest of the wall. Sorry for the poor quality.

I wonder if the administrator would consider putting all the pub stuff together in one forum ? What do you think ?

[Terry]

Thank you David, that's a fascinating picture. It also shows a glimpse of the shops that once existed in Pelham Street before they were incorporated into Woolworths in 1926.

Considering the importance of the pub in the social history not only of this town, but the whole country, I think a seperate forum for pubs would be a splendid idea. The British pub is, after all, somewhat unique.

I've never been a great one for photography myself, but there must be thousands of people out there with photos of pubs and other local items that they possibly consider of little interest or importance. These old photos are bound to be of interest to someone somewhere, especially people carrying out research. Looking at the photo above, one cannot help wondering what it was like inside? What was the layout of the bars back then? How much of the old Pelham Arms remains after the rebuilding in 1892? The Carlisle reeally was a hotel back then, in 1913 it recieved a seperate hotel entrance,

People often take pictures inside and outside pubs and other buildings (although probably not so often in 1899) and these can often be a revalation to those carrying out research.

[david_russell]

Terry, Re the Privateer. Which cheap shop do you mean ?

[Terry]

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David Russell wrote:
Terry, Re the Privateer. Which cheap shop do you mean ?
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The one on the corner of Queens Road and Elford Street.

[Terry]

An illustration of the Carlisle in the 19th century (probably 1890s) by James Gray from David Russell's excellent book The Pubs of Hastings and St Leonards 1800 - 2000. By kind permission of David Russell.

This is a drawing of a photograph titled "Toffee Apples" by George Woods. The original photo and many other interesting local photos can be found at http://www.hastingschronicle.co.uk/



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[david_russell]

Terry, Thankyou for your kind words.

I was confusing 'Fountain Carpark' with the Fountain pub. Yes the Privateer was situated here until about 1920 I think. No 2 Elford Street. I wonder if there is a picture of it anywhere ??

About 1885 a survey was carried out of all public houses within a quarter of a mile radius of the Clock Tower. They found 35 and the Privateer was just one of them !!

What references have you found ? If any.

[Terry]

It's mentioned by Helena Wojtczak in relation to prostitution in Hastings at
http://www.hastingspress.co.uk/history/19/pros.htm
along with a few other pubs.

I've stumbled across other references to it, but I can't recall where. Sometimes it's said to be in Wellington Mews and at others in Elford Street, which is why I assumed it was there.

[Anonymous1]

Can't make a contribution as I'm not a history buff but I am enjoying your postings and links

[david_russell]

Two more pictures of Carlisle Parade. Sorry about the poor quality.

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The first picture is looking west along Carlisle Parade towards the Queens Hotel. The young woman posing - centre - is standing outside the Carlisle Hotel (pub). The balcony - right - is part of Carlisle Villas mentioned by Terry earlier.

The second picture is of the same area but looking east. The BOVRIL sign is on the end of Carlisle Villas. 'Carlisle Hotel' is written below the sign.

You can count the houses (11) between the Carlisle and Harold Place on both pictures suggesting that this row of houses started/ended where the toilets are today.

Again, sorry for the poor quality.