Pub memories

[Anonymous1]

:laugh:

Very little has changed.

[Anonymous1]

I have a copy of the Collier Papers which documents stories of smugglers in the Hastings area. There are some bits relating to pubs, When I get a mo I'll post some extracts.

[david_russell]

You're right GK not a lot has changed. But i'd have thought the constable would have at least given his inspector a hand up the stairs. Look good on his CV !!

[david_russell]

GK, What are the Collier Papers ?

[terry_again]

David, the Dead Pubs website now lists an un named pub at 28 Pelham Street between 1878 and 1891 with John Cornelius as licencee. Could this be the elusive Waterman's Arms? The address suggests it would have been about half way between the Carlisle and the Denmark Arms.

[Anonymous1]

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David Russell wrote:

GK, What are the Collier Papers ?
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Sorry David_ _ __ _ _.I overlooked your question

:blush:

Jonn Collier was the Mayor of Hastings during the early 1700's. He was also a customs house inspector and he documented many of the local smugglers exploits. Hastings, Rye, Eastbourne, Hythe smugglers also gives some info on the demise of the Hawkhurst Gang_ _ __ _ __ _ _.I'll post some scans of the copy.

It is titled:

1744 /1745
Relating to Customs House Matters

[david_russell]

Thanks.

The Collier Papers could be important. Do they mention the Cutter or the Hastings Arms for example ?

Could help decide 'Hastings oldest pub debate' ?

[Anonymous1]

I've since been through it and It only mentions the Mermaid at Rye. ( I was hoping it had more stuff about Hastings)_ _ _..so sorry, nothing about Hastings Pubs. There are some bits relating to Hastings smugglers though. I'll post the extracts on a different thread.

The Collier papers are a part of the Sayer Archive which are held by the National Archive, although they don't appear to have this particular paper.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ ... andcid=0#0

The copy of the papers I have got are typed and dated Nov 23/16

[terry_again]

I found this rather sad snippet on the Hastings Chronicle site. They refer to the Black HOUSE in Priory STREET, which seems certain to be an error and must surely relate to the Black horse in the Halton area of Priory Road. Cross reference to Dead Pubs bears this out and suggests the child's name was John and Alice Green may have only recently have been widowed.

http://www.hastingschronicle.com/1901/0 ... kills-boy/

It seems this beer house was somewhere between the Fortune of War and the Royal Sussex Arms on the eastern side of the road. The address in 1901 was 42, but after the renumbering in 1903, No.40 became 206, so I assume the Black Horse was at 204. Photos of this deprived area seem to be very few and far between.

[david_russell]

I think you are correct. This is one of the mistakes I made in my appendix. I listed both Black Horse and Johnson's beer house but now realize they were one and the same. Johnson was the previous landlord before it took the name Blackhorse I believe.