Independence Day

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seahermit
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Re: Independence Day

Postby seahermit » Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:34 pm

Re: Richard's questions, I think we should just prepare to leave the EU in March deal or no deal. Could the consequent political and economic uncertainty be a lot greater than it is now?

I don't believe that any disruption will be severe and very longlasting. The knowledge that Brexit is coming shortly will concentrate business and political minds wonderfully in the remaining weeks and new agreements and rules will be hammered out - it's in everyone's interest.

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Re: Independence Day

Postby cbe » Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:55 am

Short of any underhand fiddling (which your MP Ms Rudd is at the moment trying to get going) then we do leave on March 31st 2019. We will leave on WTO terms - 'no deal' is a term invented by Remainers and their fellow-travellers. These terms will mean that there will be a 10% tariff on goods, both in and out, and no country can put false obstacles in the way of that trade. ANY country can then negotiate separately with the UK if they would like better terms - they would be welcome.
As an aside I must just say that I cannot resist a smile every time I hear about the 'free-trade' agreement we have within the EU. You will know how many billions we have to pay in every year to have the bonus of this free trade agreement which leaves us in a position where our trade gap with the rest of the Eu was £70 BILLION in 2017.
(Billion is just a nonsensical number to us ordinary folk but just to put it into context - if we started to count out in seconds -1 - 2 -3 etc it would take 31 years to count to one billion.)

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Re: Independence Day

Postby Richard » Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:46 am

It is rather simple, T. May has to find out what Parliament will support instead.
They won't approve her current deal and if we have another referendum, based on any number of choices, we could still face a repeat of what has already happened.

In the days of my youth, a billion used to mean a million million but since 1975, when Chancellor Denis Healey announced that the treasury would adopt the US billion thenceforth, a billion is now a thousand million.
Our 'old' billion is now a trillion likewise.
Americans lack much sense.

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Re: Independence Day

Postby cbe » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:00 pm

Parliament WILL accept the will of the people as voiced through the referendum result. It might take (even more) time and it might get 'messy' but this result cannot be overturned.

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Re: Independence Day

Postby Richard » Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:03 pm

European Commission president, Jean-Claude Junker said the overall state of the debate in Britain was 'nebulous', meaning that it was impossible for them (the EU) to accommodate further negotiations on potentially limitless and uncertain terms.
Meanwhile the will of the British people, as evidenced by the referendum, was simple - to leave the EU.
The 'sticking plaster' attempt by T. May will never succeed and it is our own fault for allowing, first Cameron and then May to lead the Conservatives, asking for concessions on an orderly withdrawal.
The EU concessions were found to be wanting and therefore we have to make firm plans of our own, regardless.

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Re: Independence Day

Postby cbe » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:21 am

I could never take seriously anything said by M Juncker. Let us not forget that in a 'previous life'
he was the Prime Minister of Luxembourg, a country with a population of about 600,000. He has experienced the same level of 'control' as a mayor of an English medium sized city.
Added to that the fact the he is usually inebriated during business hours (I assume the posters on here have seen the various clips of him doing what people do when they are slightly worse for wear?) I think a little less from the gentleman would be welcome.

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Re: Independence Day

Postby Richard » Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:20 pm

The rest of Europe are laughing openly at our inability to sort the matter out.
They are enjoying the spectacle!

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Re: Independence Day

Postby ColinL » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:40 pm

cbe

Let us be very clear.
Migrants are wholly a different category of people to refugees; the latter of whom are unable to remain in their original country. You are being wholly disingenuous in aligning the two different groups.

My simple point was that in a binary choice situation, the 'losing' side cannot be taken into account and that would equally be the same if remain had won. I assume that you sound like a leaver, with some fear or reticence towards incomers, but seem to forget that the 'British' whoever they are, comprise of migrants from all over the world going back millennia. The Jutes, the Saxons, the Romans (including north Africans), the Normans. The Flemish weavers, Jewish tailors and silversmiths. In more modern times, the Poles who fought for the allies in 2WW losing many of their brethren in the Battle of Britain, and then from Commonwealth nations who helped build our country

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Re: Independence Day

Postby cbe » Tue Dec 18, 2018 4:34 pm

Colin
Yes I am a Lleaver - not yet a crime? Reticence/fear of incomers? No, a reluctance to sustain hundreds of thousands of migrants ( and their descendants) for ever and a day out of our hard earned benefits. Unwilling to see the strain on 'OUR' NHS, the roads, public transport, prisons etc etc just to satisfy hand-wringing do-gooders. That is the definition of some of them. The definition of the globalists intent on changing the natural order of all European countries cannot be printed on am open forum. Of course I know the difference between refugees and migrants and so do they, that is why they can repeat perfectly what they have been coached to say to gain refugee status. We have an army of 'liberal' helpers coaching 'refugees' on the other side of the channel and that is why we have seen many 'children' coming over even though anyone with eyes to see could see they were well past childhood. As regards Jutes, Saxons Romans, purleeze YOu are Mary Beard and I claim my £5

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Re: Independence Day

Postby ColinL » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:40 pm

You have obviously never worked in immigration law otherwise you would not trot out the standard "why they can repeat perfectly what they have been coached to say to gain refugee status."

And then this "even though anyone with eyes to see could see they were well past childhood".
Have you never seen white British born under 18 yrs with stubble growth before? You do realise that there are more southern European nationalities such as Italians and Greek young men who often look much older than their years. That it is standard trait of some ethnic groups.

Have you ever been in an asylum application interview with the Immigration Officers present witnessing how they interview and tease out answers? If you had then you would understand that it is not as you portray it to be.

What do you mean, 'the natural order of all European countries'? As long as you are not abusive then this message board can sustain your views. The Brits are a mongrel race of all variety of ethnicity. Your somewhat childish reference to Prof Beard suggests that you refuse to accept the facts of our multinational nation.

If there is a second referendum, that I think would not be wise, given that the first has already created so much social division, I would vote to leave, but certainly not for any reason that you would be likely to support. There is also a photo of me in the Hastings Obs in 1975 campaigning to leave, in Wellington Square


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