church street, ore village

[Terry]

I believe Church Street was constructed to enable the occupants of the workhouse (later St Helen's Hospital) to more easily get to the church in Ore. It was said to be the poorest street in town. I don't know what happened to the houses, but I've been told they were badly damaged during the war, but which war is unclear, I assume it was the second. The thoroughfare still exists, mostly as a muddy, unlit footpath, but is no longer given the honour of a name. A few buildings remained last time I was there, but they are now classed as being in Clifton or Frederick Road, I'm afraid I can't remember which road is which.

[peter_simpson]

Terry is right about what remains of Church Street; it's now effectively the rear entrance for houses on that side of Greville Road. However - and this is really very odd indeed - if you look at some of the official council large-scale maps of the town in the old town and town centre, it is not only marked, but named!!!

[Terry]

Church Street may well be marked on maps. What I meant was there is nothing at the site to indicate that the thoroughfare (it can hardly be called a street anymore) has a name.

[Terry]

I stumbled on the following while looking for something else. I haven't a clue what it relates to, but it might be of use if you understand such things.

Church Street dhcb/DH/C/33/37 Sep 1959-Jan 1965. Former reference: DH/C 33/37. Priory Street dhcb/DH/C/33/38 Jan 1960-May 1965. Former reference: DH/C 33/38 _ _ _

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?

[dave_haddon]

I used to play in Church Street ,as did all the kids from Greville Road.
Most houses were derelect but there were a couple still standing.
The houses had big basements,as the land drops away at the back .
We used to play in the houses and smash them up,very much in the Hope and Glory style.I beleive there was substantial bomb damage,by our european cousins,and this made the surrounding houses unsafe and uneconomical to repair.When people moved out the houses were just boarded up.
I used to be sent round to one of the few remaining houses ,which was a dirty ,old makeshift shop ,in someones front room,to buy vinegar and paraffin which was put into old lemonade bottles from big containers/barrels.The owner had the wonderful name of Knocker Noakes.This could also have been, or was next to the cobblers.It was 30 yards or so left after going through the alley ,half way up Greville.
This was 61/2/3 and everything old was being thrown into Church Street.
As a kid it was great fun helping neighbours shift sideboards and pianos through the alley and being allowed to smash them up as a reward.
There were also allotments way down in the hollow,which you crossed a stream to get to.
I believe all the buildings were eventually demollished for health reasons,ie rats etc and to stop the kids playing in them,as they were lethal,floors collapsing etc.
There was a great community here,through a child's eyes anyway,everybody helping each other and in each others houses.

[terry_again]

The website still exists in some sort of form, but it appears to be broken. The text is still readable and there is an identical version available in the public library. The name Knocker Noakes and Quinnell also appears. Apparently one family made funeral wreaths. The off licence at the Clifton Road end is the last remaining building and technically in Clifton Road. It's now part of a care home, but was listed in trade directories and the London Gazette as the Carpenter's Arms public house! Does anyone have any knowledge of this?

[terry_again]

I have absolutely no idea if this guy is the Knocker Noakes mentioned above, but it might possibly explain the origin of that name. The address is St Leonards, but he may have moved. The passage is from an August 1937 edition of The Hastings and St Leonards Observer.

[img://www.hastingsforum.co.uk/forums/sf_attachments/Knocker_Noakes109.jpg]

[Anonymous1]

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Terry again wrote:
The website still exists in some sort of form, but it appears to be broken. The text is still readable and there is an identical version available in the public library. The name Knocker Noakes and Quinnell also appears. Apparently one family made funeral wreaths. The off licence at the Clifton Road end is the last remaining building and technically in Clifton Road. It's now part of a care home, but was listed in trade directories and the London Gazette as the Carpenter's Arms public house! Does anyone have any knowledge of this?
[/quoted]

is this the webpage you're refering to:

http://www.hastingsonline.co.uk/history ... index.html

I'm pretty sure I remember the Pub, they used to have bonefires on the adjacent green come Nov 5th. I went to one or two when I was about 6 or 7 (1963-64).

Re the link above, what a great read I lived at the bottom end of Churchill avenue. I used to go to the old Sandown school and remember many of the surnames mentioned. Clearly the families were (and are) still resident in ore.

[terry_again]

Yes that's the site GK.

Was it definitely a pub or beer house? I remember thinking it looked like it may have been one at some time and it is named as the Carpenter's Arms and listed in Pike's as a pub (beer houses often were), but nobody seems to remember it being anything more than an off licence. It seems unusual to have an off licence with a name, but there may have been another called the Forester's Arms at Pinders which was only a short lived beer house that carried on trading under that name as an off licence/shop.

As I've said elswhere, I would expect objections to a pub or beer house so close to an institution like the workhouse.

From what I can gather, that green area has never been built on, although there were plans (that were never carried out) and also a scheme to put a bomb shelter there (I have no idea if that ever happened). Can anyone shed any light on this?

[Anonymous1]

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Terry again wrote:
Was it definitely a pub or beer house? [/quoted]

I couldn't say for sure Terry, I do remember the lights being on, a swinging sign outside and using the offy once or twice. A small cubicle type room with a counter, you couldn't see the rest of the interior from the offy counter_ _ __ _ __ _ _.I do know someone who may know though (a Cornelius), I shall endeavour to find out.

By the time I went to Sandown (1966, I walked through the village on the way there, down frederick rd and up clifton on the way back) I pretty sure it had closed. I'll ask around.

Regarding the residents of Church Street. There was a Mr's Cornford mentioned at the above link_ _ __ _ _I just found this on the Hastings Chronicle site:

http://www.hastingschronicle.com/1907/1 ... nourished/

Very sad.