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Amber Rudd

Postby cbe » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:23 pm

I have been careful not to mention Amber Rudd since I made my feelings about her known several months ago. I would be interested to hear the views of any Hastings' voters regarding her resignation from the Home office.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby Richard » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:39 am

Amber Rudd is paying for the consequences of government policy failures, i.e. the targetting of illegal's which unfortunately created the 'Windrush' scandal, the policy was originally (largely) implemented by Theresa May under her watch as former home secretary.
If Amber Rudd said was not aware of targets she should have been and therefore did not have much choice but to act as the 'fall guy' by resigning.
Amber Rudd played a prominent role in the Remain campaign and will stay as MP for Hastings & Rye for the rest of this Parliament's term, if not there would have to be a bye-election which would knock the Tories out for sure.
So, we will shortly get a new home secretary and a breathing space before a tough fight at the next general election.
Rudd was hated by local socialists with a vehemence not seen since adverts were put on lamp posts with a picture of Thatcher saying "Hurry up and die".
Not very worthy sentiments in my opinion.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby Richard » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:47 am

I can't remember what your feelings on Amber Rudd were cbe, a few weeks ago and most people forget.
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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby ColinL » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:10 pm

I am no longer a local voter but will say that it is a crying shame that Hastings maintained its reputation of 'Mugsborough' for far to many years by electing Tory MPs post 1906. Socialists were elected to the local council in the 1940s and then developed strongholds in Upper St Mary's, St Clements, eventually Hollington but found it difficult to dent the Tories in most of St Leonards, Holy Trinity and especially All Saints.

After many years of active work Michael Foster was able to take the seat in 1997 and I hope a new Labour candidate will rest it from Ms Rudd in due course. Rudd has of course taken the bullet that should have been for Mrs May

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby cbe » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:23 pm

Hi Colin - our posts were like ships passing in the night.
I have made my political allegiance known so no need to point that out but I too trust that Amber Rudd loses her seat at the next election. My reasons are different from yours.
(1) If you are not a Conservative do not stand as a Conservative
(2) If you cannot accept a democratic vote then you should not be involved in any way in
a democratic system.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby cbe » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:45 pm

Hi Richard - believe it or not this is my second reply to you tonight. I 'replied' to you before I saw Colin's post. I replied to him and later on checking back I noticed that my reply to you was absent. My fault Geoff I am absolutely certain - I am useless at this posting stuff.

Anyway - in short - Amber Rudd was an abysmal Home Secretary, appointed by Theresa May, who was even worse, if that's possible and so she was always going to fail. I am a Conservative but without a Conservative government - the worst of all worlds. You will , by now, have seen her replacement - your views would be of interest to me. By the way, thanks for replying after our earlier contretemps.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby Richard » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:48 pm

cbe, If you try to 'submit' text after writing a piece and are not logged in you will be asked to log in and if you do so you will then be presented with a blank page and will have lost the piece you had written. (the system does not allow you to back track to the piece you have written after you have pressed the log-in details button.
The solution is, if you see the page asking for login details and instead go back to the page you have just written and select and copy all the text you can then 'submit' and enter the log-in details and paste the copy into the blank page.
This has happened to me several times and can be quite frustrating.
Not sure if this is what you encountered.

Back to the topic:

At face-value it seems a rather clever move to put a self-declared second-generation immigrant in charge of the divisive policy handed down to him re- the ongoing immigrant expulsion drive. Mr. Jarvid is seen to be much more in-tune and sympathetic to the plight of vulnerable legal immigrants who were inadvertently caught up in the policy objectives to deport illegal ones.
However, the drive to remove illegal immigrants remains firmly in place, albeit now with better safeguards to prevent errors such as the 'Windrush' scandal occurring again.
Amber Rudd was attempting to fix the mistakes that led to 'Windrush errors' but resigned since misleading a Commons committee on Wednesday, saying there were no illegal immigrant expulsion targets in place, clearly she should have known there indeed were such targets inside an intention to promote an allegedly 'hostile environment' expulsion policy, championed by Theresa May for the last six years.
Javid is a very wealthy former banker, once earning 3million/annum and was formerly in charge of the Department of Housing, Communities and Local Government where he handled the Grenfell Tower crisis well. He seems genuine, if a little boring, and first became an MP following on from the 'expenses' scandal in Bromsgrove, Worcestershire in 2009, where Julie Kirkbride was the MP (and her husband Andrew MacKay was also forced to resign as parliamentary aide to David Cameron, after being caught 'double-dipping' on two properties.)
Jarvid gained a Cabinet position in 2014 under Cameron's premiership when minister, Maria Miller, resigned after over-claiming expenses.
Jarvid is a devout Thatcherite and a non-practicing Muslim.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby cbe » Tue May 01, 2018 10:30 am

Thanks Richard, I'm pretty sure that you are right as to why I 'lost' my initial response to you last night. Hopefully i will learn from that, but I won't count on it.
As regards Sajiv Javid - I am not sure that I would describe his appointment as a clever move as it seems more of a box-ticking exercise to me.
Non-British heritage - Tick Person of colour - Tick Muslim - Tick
I am far more interested in suitability for a job rather than, as I say, box-ticking. We have far too much of the quota system in British politics today - need more females in Parliament? women only shortlists Need more ethnics in the cabinet? - choose only from the ethnic members . All of this shows how superficial the leadership of this country is and has been for decades. The best person for the job EVERY TIME regardless of gender, colour or religion should always be the way to go.
I think he was a poor choice if only for the fact that he was/is another Remainer (sorry for the shorthand but at least we all know what we mean by that) in a Government which is 'committed' to leaving the EU. Yet another wrong signal and poor decision from Mrs May. The fact that Mr Javid had anti-EU sentiments for many years but changed them under the influence of Mr Cameron is another indicator of someone who will bend with the prevailing wind. Not a good omen but I wait and hope to be surprised by the new Home Secretary.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby Richard » Tue May 01, 2018 11:54 am

Many MP's and ministers have changed their minds, both before and after Brexit.
Javid campaigned for the U.K. to remain in the European Union, citing the threat of uncertainty that Brexit would create, and as a business-man he feared the damage to companies caused by Brexit as many would then be unable to recruit skilled workers who are very keen to work hard in this country. Javid has long been an advocate of a skills-based immigration system after Brexit.
Yet Jarvid claims to still be a “Brussels basher” whose “heart” was for Brexit.
Javid will have Britain’s post-Brexit migration policy to sort out. Rudd was under pressure over delays in delivering proposals for post-Brexit immigration plans, now not expected until the end of the year — four months before the U.K. formally leaves the EU.

Jarvid has also been a vocal supporter of the U.K. exit from the European customs union, bearing in mind that we cannot remain in the customs union with the EU or countries such as Australia will not trade with us, the UK could not, and still cannot, complete any independent trade deals while still within the EU. Remaining in a customs union would leave Brussels in charge of trade negotiations without British input. As we know, If we do leave that union then the Irish border pops up as a bone of contention.
Javid’s new role will include a place on May’s Brexit “war Cabinet” — the senior team deciding the shape of Brexit.

No one really knows what the result of Brexit will be as the terms are still being negotiated and if free movement of EU labour is prevented by Brexit this does not alter the fact that a lot of illegal immigrants will still be entering and spreading out across Europe, including the UK, and putting pressure on mechanisms we use to cope with them.

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Re: Amber Rudd

Postby cbe » Tue May 01, 2018 1:12 pm

Well yes some MPs and Ministers did change their minds, both before and after the referendum vote and it is quite clear from looking at the individuals, their histories and pronouncements that most did so in order to secure their own futures. Which side is going to win - better tack that way then. This is not the same as those who have 'come on board' once the result was known and the decision of the electorate was clear. They have not changed their views necessarily but have acted, as any democrat would, in accordance with the wishes of the majority.
As regards skilled workers etc etc - it has always been possible (and will not change after we leave) to recruit necessary workers. Whilst on this point I would also mention that it was the EU who would not say that British nationals living in the EU would continue to have the same safeguards which they currently enjoy. The British Government were clear that EU nationals here would continue with the same rights - the EU would not say the same and yet the 5th columnists and fellow travellers on these shores never pointed that out.
Touching on potential dangers to British business on leaving the EU how many of the 'scare-mongerers' have admitted that their prophesied doom and gloom haven't come to pass? A few have but not many.
But, you say, we have not yet left the EU. Correct, but have you noticed when there is anything approaching bad news it is because of the Brexit vote but when there is good news (and there has been much more of that) it is 'ah but we haven't left yet'.
Prior to the vote George Osborne said (amongst other things) there would have to be an immediate emergency budget should there be a vote to Leave the Eu. He said he would have to slash public spending and cut the NHS budget. He said taxes would have to rise, including both income and inheritance tax. He also said that there would be a loss of 820,000 jobs in the first two years. All wrong and more to the point, any competent Chancellor would have known they were wrong. We have to ask ourselves was he incompetent or was he a liar?
Finally - because I am waffling now - as regards illegal immigration continuing across Europe after we leave the EU yes of course - but we ourselves will be deciding what to do on ALL matters immigration legal and illegal. It is not rocket science it needs only the will to do somethin.


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