Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

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Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby Richard » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:13 pm

The man needs to go, a 'dog in the manger' dumbo who needs to read from his notes, who prevents a credible opposition to the Conservatives.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby seahermit » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:24 am

Regardless of whether he is of the Left or the Right, what has he ever really achieved? How has he proved himself in any position of responsibility? Apart from carping from the back-benches for most of his career, what as an individual does he stand for?

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby seahermit » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:35 am

I think it is very concerning that there appears to be a concerted attempt emerging from MPs to stop a no-deal Brexit, and probably stop Brexit happening at all. Apart from it being completely contrary to the will of the electorate as expressed in the referendum, the whole political situation is threatening to become chaotic - with incalculable damage to the country resulting.

If Brexit doesn't happen, I can't see myself ever voting again or taking politicians the slightest bit seriously.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby Richard » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:04 am

I laughed when I heard the shadow chancellor suggesting he would send Jeremy Corbyn to Buckingham Palace “in a cab” if Boris were to lose a confidence vote.
I can imagine a few motorists setting up an ambush on that cab.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby seahermit » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:25 pm

Boris Johnson is not technically bound to take notice of a confidence vote, it is a matter of convention and what he does will depend on what other circumstances are prevailing.

But if the MPs block a no-deal Brexit, there's going to be a chaotic situation. Jeremy Corbyn is so deeply unpopular in some quarters (and the Tories seem so bent on civil war) that, if Farage decides to participate in a general election, I wonder if there will be a massive protest vote for his "party"? Very bizarre scenarios seem to be on the way at present.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby Richard » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:59 pm

I now see it as a huge farce.
There has not even been a vote of 'no confidence' against Boris and yet caretaker governments are being lined up, by remainers intent upon thwarting a 'no-deal' Brexit.

Ken Clarke, the former chancellor and father of the House of Commons, is now being touted as possible contender to form a 'caretaker government'.
Ken was the only Conservative MP to vote against the triggering of Article 50 — the formal start to EU divorce proceedings. He likened Euroskeptics’ post-Brexit visions to a “wonderland-type” fantasy, saying “apparently you follow the rabbit down the hole and you emerge in a wonderland where suddenly countries around the world are queuing up to give us trading advantages.”

A no-confidence vote against Johnson, will not necessarily result in the introduction of an emergency government, with an alternative prime minister, who has the confidence of the house and will be able to stop a no-deal Brexit.
Yet the 'remainers' still twist their minds in fits to prevent Brexit.

So, despite the referendum, we are still arguing that a 'no-deal' Brexit cannot be achieved and that there is a 'back-up' plan on the horizon, via a 'caretaker government.

This 'Play' will run and run, until the clock strikes and then the imagined coaches running for 'Brexit' will turn into pumpkins or something similar, with the introduction of a 'caretaker' government.
You couldn't make it up!

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby ColinL » Sat Aug 17, 2019 12:02 am

Richard, you will see that at formal debates all Front Bench speakers have notes on which to base their interventions. Researchers will have provided data that they can quote to support the points they make. Johnson by contrast rarely concerns himself with actual facts and uses bluster and rambling comment and projection. His characature on R4 Dead Ringers is frighteningly close to accurate. Corbyn speaks fluently in other meetings with some notes but covers a range of matters well. It is worth attending one of his meetings. He has spoken in Hastings.

Seahermit, although you will not see it reported in the press most backbenchers do constituency work and support local people and groups. Most do not put forward Private Member's Bills and pilot them through parliament. Some, but not all, sit on select committees. Most do not seek preferrment to PPS or similar roles.They learn about issues and take part in debates authoritatively That is standard work of MPs. Some of course are bone idle.

Again not that the press would even think of reporting it during the last three years, but before he became leader, Corbyn had proposed or sponsored many motions supporting Jewish people people and against antisemitism and against racism in general. He publicised and supported Jewish refugees fleeing persecution seeking life in the UK. He did so similiar for the Yazidi Christians being persecuted.by ISIS .

If you had put in a search to Google prior to 2015 'Corbyn and antisemitism you would find that the vast majority of hits were supportive of Jewish people. He campaigned to support the local Jewish community to save and protect a long established Jewish cemetery against a plan to move it and use the land for development. (Ironically, I understand that Mrs Hodge supported the redevelopment and wanted to move the bodies). This has all been reported in research of Birkbeck College Media Reform Group and Univ of London. He is very popular in his constituency as he takes an active interest in community groups. On the day he was elected leader, despite often being ignored by the BBC, he was invited for interview but declined as he was attending an event for a local charity (mental health or disability if I remember correctly) something that was a long term commitment. I don't think they have ever forgiven him as they expected him to jump.

If you look on "They work for You" site there is lots of Info of what he stands for . Seahermit, by "carping from the backbences", do you mean he was representing his constituents and raising their concerns and problems? I doubt that you do but that is what he was doing.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby seahermit » Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:17 am

Most MPs do some degree of constituency work, as well as taking part in other political work, campaigning etc. That is hardly an unknown fact. They would be seen as irresponsible if they failed to be seen as engaging to some extent with local issues.

That has nothing to do with an MP's ability as a political leader and potential PM, a completely different role to that of local activist.

I think you must be seeing some other Jeremy Corbyn, not the one I see currently making public appearances. Whatever his past record of speaking up for Jewish people, his handling of the current anti-Semitism problem has been shambolic - no clear, unequivocal statements about what he intends to do in order to root out the problem, the internal party investigations are taking yonks to actually achieve anything - and there seems clear evidence that some factions in the party have tried to hinder the investigation and silence criticism.

Jeremy Corbyn seems to make many contradictory statements as the weeks go by. I have no strong left or right leanings, I merely see him as a very weak, vacillating politician who cannot even hold his own party together and goes with the direction of the wind.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby Richard » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:32 pm

Many of the nine MPs who have recently left the Labour party to form the Independent Party stated that the way in which anti-Semitism is being dealt with by the leadership has contributed to their decision to leave.

Corbyn is not a Marxist in any meaningful sense; rather he is a lifelong disciple of Tony Benn, the stalwart of the so-called ‘democratic socialist’ wing of the Labour Party in the 1970s and 80s.
In the context of our current Brexit crisis, this explains Benn’s (and Corbyn’s) lifelong rejection of the EC/EU as a supra-national entity which posed an existential threat to a key vehicle of democratic socialist interests in Britain.

seahermit is quite right - Corbyn is a very weak, vacillating politician:

The day after the European referendum in 2016, Jeremy Corbyn called for the immediate invocation of Article 50 – the two-year notice to leave the EU – much quicker than even Theresa May wanted.
In December 2016, Jeremy Corbyn voted in Parliament in favour of the UK leaving the EU and for the process to start no later than 31 March 2017.
Jeremy Corbyn three times voted in February 2017 in favour of the Prime Minister starting the process of leaving the European Union.
During the 2017 general election, the independent Channel 4 Factcheck service found very little difference between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May over Europe.
In the summer of 2017, Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain remaining in the Single Market. He even sacked from his team Labour MPs who voted in favour of membership of the Single Market.
In 2018, Jeremy Corbyn said he would try to make Brexit go ahead even if Labour won a general election before it happened.

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Re: Corbyn will never be Prime Minister

Postby seahermit » Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:27 pm

I had forgotten some of these facts which Richard conjures up so adroitly but, yes, it seems to me that Corbyn's attitude (and statements) about Europe have been very variable and contradictory over a period of time. That is one of the reasons I do not understand what exactly he stands for - except that he seems to be allowing himself to be pushed by the current mood within the Labour party rather than planting his own flag and boldly declaring his personal position on important issues.

I don't pretend to be any expert on politics, I find it currently too confusing and depressing anyway to bother with it too much. But my perception is probably very similar to many people's, rightly or wrongly. I don't see any greatly inspiring figures in the Commons but at least there are a few with some personality and drive who are very clear about their political stances. Corbyn is not one of them.


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