Johnson's lies

[ColinL]

Little seahermit tell us the identity of the sainted hero as I have no idea who you are talking about.

The original comment was that a right wing Tory has become so insenced by right wing Tory Johnson constant flow of lies that, rather than ignoring it, wishes to publicise it. Oborne is not talking about half finished sentences and the confusing way that he tries to deflect questions, he was talking about undeniable lies. The two things are not the same

I don't know of anything similar with Labour, but perhaps who can come up with a reference - oh I just remembered that you decline to cite any evidence to support your claims

[ColinL]

Northants. Do we?
cbe comes on line with capital punishment promotion. Does it not matter to you about all those innocent people who were eventually proved innocent, but disgustingly had been murdered by the state?
I doubt you would turn a hair - until it was one of your loved family. We were gradually becoming a more civilised society; that trend is now being reversed

[cbe]

This truly is clownworld. 'we were gradually becoming a more civilised society; that trend is now being reversed' The second part is certainly right - over 1200 under-aged girls raped, tortured and threatened with death in just ONE town in this country. We then find that this has been happening all over the country. But shhhhh. I suppose too that a sign of this civilised society being reversed is the fact that we have to have concrete blocks on bridges and at the entrance to public squares just in case any vehicles suddenly 'career out of control' into crowds of people.I suppose another sign is that we regularly see armed police in many locations. This could go on and on but I have a strong feeling Colin that THIS is not the type of reversal of civilised society you are referring to ?

[seahermit]

I voted for Blair - at first. We all did. It was a very optimistic time, we all wanted change from the materialism of Thatcherism and Blair was very convincing.

What bloody fools we all were!

I felt that Sadam Hussein should be dealt with but not by the Yanks, I thought it should be some intervention by a properly constituted UN force. In the event, there was a bloody war which was ill-thought through and has resulted in more problems and instability in that tragic country than existed before.

[seahermit]

Our society has moved far away from being "civilised" in recent years. Police everywhere are armed to the teeth and, in almost all categories of crime, incidents have soared. Criminals are slapped on the wrist or released early.

Part of the reason is sheer naivety on the part of well-meaning social-minded politicians, not necessarily one particular party. The ethos of good behaviour and respect for others has been eroded, people think they can get away with anything - and often they are right.

I don't at all think that Boris Johnson is going to solve all our problems, but he seems more grounded and more in touch with the mood of the country. Corbyn seems to be in his own reality, his promises in all areas of policy are not believable and probably not achievable.

[cbe]

we ALL did NOT vote for Blair - I though him a snake-oil salesman from the off.

[ColinL]

oh seahermit yet again failing to understand or accept facts.
Far from 'slapping on the wrist' we now have record numbers of people incarcerated in prison as of 2018 of 92,500 up from roughly 42,000 in 1993. More longer sentences are being handed down as various govts have increased the maximum sentences available. By comparison to places like Holland and other nearby countries, we imprison more people per capita.

Of those in prison many are locked in their cells for themajority of the day because there are not sufficient or trained staff toallow for prisoners to attend classes of education, physical fitness, and any activities that may assist them develop as citizens. They are therefore trapped in overcrowded cells that means vulnerable prisoners are at serious risk of physical or emotional harm from stronger prisoners. When people do get out for short periods of rec then frustation boils over and staff are at risk of assault and riot as we have seen this last two years.

But for you that is a slap on the wrist

[cbe]

I suppose Colin we could give more people a tag and keep them out of prison, that way, especially if they are Labour Mps they are free to attend the House of Commons to take part in a vote.

[Richard]

Norway's criminal justice system is doing something right:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-48885846

[ColinL]

cbe. I did not make any reference to any religion or none. However you have obliquely, especially with your 'shhhh' reference that is patently directed towards what you wrongly perceive as something that should not be mentioned. All reductions of civilised society must be challenged. You cite concrete blocks. That is not a reduction it is a result of changing society, you should really try to focus on what is a cause and effect. You seem not to understand the difference.

It seems that you want to focus on one specific community problem without naming it. Have you actually read the Alexis Jay report? I doubt that you have, preferring to get 'factual news' from the tabloid papers. As you only seem to be concrrned with white girls, let me focus your mind on the multiple rape and abuse victims, both boys and girls, who were either referred to their churches or were members of the congregations. The perpetrators were known in their organisations but rather than being reported were transferred elsewhere and their crimes hushed up. The most serious of the cover up trials is currently progressing elewhere. Covered up abuse and rape is not just in this country but world wide. Protection of the organisation was paramount over the needs of victims. Or another alternative; the largely white children from deprived families, without process of law who were stolen from their parents and given to others in Australia or Canada, some who were never reunited with their parents. Some went to families and other to predominantly white religious organisations. Or alternatively, try watching the film about the Magdalen Laundries; again white perpetrators and white victims.

In the wake of the recent deaths near London Bridge and the poignant plea of David Merritt for his son Jack, of not letting hate follow the event and that Jack would be livid to make this a political point, concerning your unnamed perpetrators and their supposed beliefs. Those people and the other groups I mention, are not acting in pursuit of their faith as pursued by the majority of believers. You appear to have a fetish about one group whilst ignoring all others. I am concerned about aĺl such and similar events and don't discriminate.

You should be ashamed of yourself and publically apologise to David Merritt and mourn the lost lives of Saskia Jones and Jack Merritt who were doing their bit to make the country a better place for all.