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G.K. wrote:
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Olly wrote:
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G.K. wrote:
I consider UKIP to be a right wing party_ _ _..by UK standards, extremely so.
Would you agree Olly?
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No I wouldn't agree - unless you're confusing patriotism with xenophobia?
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You're towing the party line_ _ __ _ __ _ _.or you don't understand the distinction between Left and Right wing politics_ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ _.or you're in denial_ _ __ _ __ _ _.or you're happy to hide the reality.
It walks like a Duck, quacks like a Duck, farts like a Duck, in fact it does everything like a sodding Duck and yet Farage insists it isn't a Duck (Paraphrase of link below). IMO This is because he wants to hoodwink the mainstream floaters (yuk lol)
Olly, you say you hate extreme politics: Then my advice to you is to stay well away from these guys because they ARE extreme.
You're probably aware of the following Olly but I'll post for others benefit:
UKIP is a member of an organisation called "Europe of Freedom and Democracy" or EFD. This organisation is made up of various European Eurosceptic parties. They are considered right wing.
Farage was (is still?) the co-president of this group, along side an Italian politician called Francesco Speroni who had this to say about Anders Breivik (remember him? Utoya massacre) "Breivik's ideas are in defence of western civilisation."
Another member of the EFD, a Mister Mario Borghezio said that Breivik had some "excellent" ideas. Farage did ask Borghezio to withdraw his comments but received a refusal. Borghezio went on to say "Long live the Whites of Europe, long live our identity, our ethnicity, our race our blue sky, like the eyes of our women. Blue, in a people who want to stay white."
As I said earlier there is very little reasoning involved with this kind of ideology. It's a legacy of childhood anger, fear and paranoia. It's an adult rationalisation of those destructive emotions_ _ __ _ _.some folk have more of them than others.
Another UKIP member, Nikki Sinclair refused to have anything to do with EFD because of their extreme views, good for her. She was subsequently kicked out of UKIP. There may have been other quoted reasons for this, no doubt you'll let us know.
More info here:
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... k-evidence
_ _ __ _ _..Olly, step away from these politics
By the way Olly, what software are you using to construct your posts (fancy highlights, underscore) ? I guess you must be doing a fair bit of blogging/thread posting in various forums to warrant it_ _ _..
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Why do you tell me to 'step away from politics'?, and who are you to presume to do so? I'm very interested in the subject, especially where the interests of my country are concerned. As for my constructions - owing to many years in Fleet Street I'm a perfectionist; and all the 'tricks of the trade' which you imply are under BBCode and Smileys section of the Help forum?? So I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not a blogger or UKIP wonk. As to topic I'll get back to you later.
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Re: UKIP
Step away from THESE politics_ _ _.specific. A polite request that's all.
Footnote to the above:
In 2013 Mario Borghezio was permanently suspended from EFD two yrs after his comments about Anders Breivik. His removal was for an unrelated allegedly racist incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Borghezio
Farage is willing to work with these people?
_ _ __ _ __ _ _..I like living in the UK too.
Footnote to the above:
In 2013 Mario Borghezio was permanently suspended from EFD two yrs after his comments about Anders Breivik. His removal was for an unrelated allegedly racist incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Borghezio
Farage is willing to work with these people?
_ _ __ _ __ _ _..I like living in the UK too.
Re: UKIP
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G.K. wrote:
Step away from THESE politics_ _ _.specific. A polite request that's all.
Footnote to the above:
In 2013 Mario Borghezio was permanently suspended from EFD two yrs after his comments about Anders Breivik. His removal was for an unrelated allegedly racist incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Borghezio
Farage is willing to work with these people?
_ _ __ _ __ _ _..I like living in the UK too.
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Notice how the actions of an extreme right-wing nutter like Breivik is cynically latched on to and highlighted as a comparator for a UKIP supporter (although I admire him in a way because hes obviously intelligent enough to discern whats actually going on the march of Islam?). Additionally I place no credence whatsoever on the New Statesman article in all probability it was written by a journalist with his/her own agenda, and approved by an editor with an eye on a future nice little earner in Brussels (much like the politicians do!) or a gong here, awarded to him as a Thanks old boy! bauble by a grateful Party leader (from any of the 3 parties). Dont be fooled by all the anti-UKIP spin and smear, GK both of us can easily find such stuff to suit our respective stances on the internet. Indeed dare I say it you might even have your own agenda? I mean, you might be using this forum as a spokesman for any of the local politicians - or you might even be one of them?? What better way would there be to put across partisan spin than a local publication? So Im not easily fooled mate, and Im smart enough to know that Farage and his party are the devil incarnate to the mainstreams because he threatens their nice cosy little sinecured post-domestic politics 'retirement'.
They were talking on Today earlier this morning about the 'fact' that the EU has 'prevented wars'. I've just emailed Today to say that from the way things are going (there's a lot more vox pop anti-EU dissent in the member states than is being made known), there's more probability of one (a war) - or at the very east serious social unrest - with the EU than without it.
G.K. wrote:
Step away from THESE politics_ _ _.specific. A polite request that's all.
Footnote to the above:
In 2013 Mario Borghezio was permanently suspended from EFD two yrs after his comments about Anders Breivik. His removal was for an unrelated allegedly racist incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Borghezio
Farage is willing to work with these people?
_ _ __ _ __ _ _..I like living in the UK too.
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Notice how the actions of an extreme right-wing nutter like Breivik is cynically latched on to and highlighted as a comparator for a UKIP supporter (although I admire him in a way because hes obviously intelligent enough to discern whats actually going on the march of Islam?). Additionally I place no credence whatsoever on the New Statesman article in all probability it was written by a journalist with his/her own agenda, and approved by an editor with an eye on a future nice little earner in Brussels (much like the politicians do!) or a gong here, awarded to him as a Thanks old boy! bauble by a grateful Party leader (from any of the 3 parties). Dont be fooled by all the anti-UKIP spin and smear, GK both of us can easily find such stuff to suit our respective stances on the internet. Indeed dare I say it you might even have your own agenda? I mean, you might be using this forum as a spokesman for any of the local politicians - or you might even be one of them?? What better way would there be to put across partisan spin than a local publication? So Im not easily fooled mate, and Im smart enough to know that Farage and his party are the devil incarnate to the mainstreams because he threatens their nice cosy little sinecured post-domestic politics 'retirement'.
They were talking on Today earlier this morning about the 'fact' that the EU has 'prevented wars'. I've just emailed Today to say that from the way things are going (there's a lot more vox pop anti-EU dissent in the member states than is being made known), there's more probability of one (a war) - or at the very east serious social unrest - with the EU than without it.
Re: UKIP
The enlarged EU is certainly too big already and presents a potentially large military target.
However it is the UK and France who are the dominant military powers (by far) inside the union (followd by Germany and Italy) and would bear the brunt of any unrest or attacks, depending on treaties and agrements, to defend member states.
That's one way of looking at it but as a trading block it helps to counteract the dominance of China and the U.S.A.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
However it is the UK and France who are the dominant military powers (by far) inside the union (followd by Germany and Italy) and would bear the brunt of any unrest or attacks, depending on treaties and agrements, to defend member states.
That's one way of looking at it but as a trading block it helps to counteract the dominance of China and the U.S.A.
Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.
Re: UKIP
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Richard wrote:
The enlarged EU is certainly too big already and presents a potentially large military target.
However it is the UK and France who are the dominant military powers (by far) inside the union (followd by Germany and Italy) and would bear the brunt of any unrest or attacks, depending on treaties and agrements, to defend member states.
That's one way of looking at it but as a trading block it helps to counteract the dominance of China and the U.S.A.
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After watching the Robert Peston documentary on China a few nights ago, China's on the skids too. I don't know exactly what we buy from the USA - they don't make anything we want do they? - but from the way Obama's chucking US dollars at every bloody country on the planet (Uganda being the latest one, to finance the AIDS pandemic there), and then there's his Afghan war to pay for (he doesn't know it yet, but the Talibs will never let him leave Afghanistan), and now he wants to poke his nose into the Ukraine upheaval, next thing we know is that he'll have bankrupted America. Interesting times ahead? Or scary ones!
Richard wrote:
The enlarged EU is certainly too big already and presents a potentially large military target.
However it is the UK and France who are the dominant military powers (by far) inside the union (followd by Germany and Italy) and would bear the brunt of any unrest or attacks, depending on treaties and agrements, to defend member states.
That's one way of looking at it but as a trading block it helps to counteract the dominance of China and the U.S.A.
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After watching the Robert Peston documentary on China a few nights ago, China's on the skids too. I don't know exactly what we buy from the USA - they don't make anything we want do they? - but from the way Obama's chucking US dollars at every bloody country on the planet (Uganda being the latest one, to finance the AIDS pandemic there), and then there's his Afghan war to pay for (he doesn't know it yet, but the Talibs will never let him leave Afghanistan), and now he wants to poke his nose into the Ukraine upheaval, next thing we know is that he'll have bankrupted America. Interesting times ahead? Or scary ones!
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Re: UKIP
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All this slating of UKIP will not stop me voting for them,is just shows how scared the establishment is and that's just music to my ears.UKIP all the way.
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yep, a lot of ordinary folk are fed up with the mainstream politics.
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Notice how the actions of an extreme right-wing nutter like Breivik is cynically latched on to and highlighted as a comparator for a UKIP supporter (although I admire him in a way because hes obviously intelligent enough to discern whats actually going on the march of Islam?).
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You admire Breivik?_ _ __ _ __ _ _somehow I thought you might.
roy wrote:
All this slating of UKIP will not stop me voting for them,is just shows how scared the establishment is and that's just music to my ears.UKIP all the way.
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yep, a lot of ordinary folk are fed up with the mainstream politics.
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Olly wrote:
Notice how the actions of an extreme right-wing nutter like Breivik is cynically latched on to and highlighted as a comparator for a UKIP supporter (although I admire him in a way because hes obviously intelligent enough to discern whats actually going on the march of Islam?).
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You admire Breivik?_ _ __ _ __ _ _somehow I thought you might.
Re: UKIP
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G.K. wrote:
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roy wrote:
All this slating of UKIP will not stop me voting for them,is just shows how scared the establishment is and that's just music to my ears.UKIP all the way.
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yep, a lot of ordinary folk are fed up with the mainstream politics.
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Olly wrote:
Notice how the actions of an extreme right-wing nutter like Breivik is cynically latched on to and highlighted as a comparator for a UKIP supporter (although I admire him in a way because hes obviously intelligent enough to discern whats actually going on the march of Islam?).
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[color:blue]You admire Breivik?[/color]_ _ __ _ __ _ _somehow I thought you might.
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His intelligence. Have you heard of Islam - and it's declared intent for global predominance? Breivik has - does that not tell you something? I'll ignore the following smartarse remark with the contempt it deserves, and I'd stop digging if I were you.
G.K. wrote:
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roy wrote:
All this slating of UKIP will not stop me voting for them,is just shows how scared the establishment is and that's just music to my ears.UKIP all the way.
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yep, a lot of ordinary folk are fed up with the mainstream politics.
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Olly wrote:
Notice how the actions of an extreme right-wing nutter like Breivik is cynically latched on to and highlighted as a comparator for a UKIP supporter (although I admire him in a way because hes obviously intelligent enough to discern whats actually going on the march of Islam?).
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[color:blue]You admire Breivik?[/color]_ _ __ _ __ _ _somehow I thought you might.
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His intelligence. Have you heard of Islam - and it's declared intent for global predominance? Breivik has - does that not tell you something? I'll ignore the following smartarse remark with the contempt it deserves, and I'd stop digging if I were you.
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Re: UKIP
_ _ _..thanks for sharing your views on that.
Ignoring UKIP and other parties, what do you think should be done about the situation? What would you do if you were in charge?
Ignoring UKIP and other parties, what do you think should be done about the situation? What would you do if you were in charge?
Re: UKIP
G.K. wrote:_ _ _..thanks for sharing your views on that.
Ignoring UKIP and other parties, what do you think should be done about the situation? What would you do if you were in charge?
If you're referring to the Islamist threat(?) the first thing I'd do is get our military to hell out of other countries which don't want it there, and use it for home protection. If you mean what would I do on something else, please tell me what it is.
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